Liste Dark Ages Bretons --- CoE

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DARK AGES BRETONS
circa 840 CE – circa 1100 CE

This army list encompasses Breton armies from the rise of the Breton kingdom, until its fall and, later, Brittany’s assimilation to the French feudal system.
The main historical enemies of the Bretons were Carolingian Franks, Capetian Francks, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, Normans and… other Bretons(!).
A Breton army must include a king or duke or count and at least one unit of Breton (mounted)
Milites and one of Breton light cavalry.


Command:
Must include a general
May include up to 2 sub-commanders
Core:
Must include 1 unit of Breton milites and 1 unit of Breton light cavalry
May include up to 8 other core
Support:
May include up to 4 support
The number of support plus skirmish selections must
not exceed the number of core selections
Skirmish:
May include up to 3 skirmish
The number of support plus skirmish selections must
not exceed the number of core selections
Allies:
Viking before 900 CE.
Western Franks from 900 CE.


A Breton army must include a general and may include up to 2 sub-commanders.

GENERAL

TITLE / DL / ML / ATT / NOTE & TRAITS / PTS
KING OR DUKE / 9 + 2 / 9 + 2 / + 2 / ARMY GENERAL MOUNTED ON AN HORSE / 60
COUNT / 9 + 2 / 8 + 1 / + 1 / ARMY GENERAL MOUNTED ON AN HORSE / FREE

Upgrades: none.

Up to 2 SUB-COMMANDERS

TITLE / DL / ML / ATTACKS / NOTE & TRAITS / PTS
SUBCOMMANDER / 8+1 / 8 + 1 / + 1 / NONE / 55

Upgrades: May be mounted on a horse at a cost of 10 pts

CORE

Players may select up to 10 units from the Core Troops section. At least one unit of Breton
(mounted) milites and one unit of Breton light cavalry must be taken.

Breton Milites - Models per unit: 6-20
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 20 / 3+ / 1 / 4 / 4+ / 4+ / 1 / 8 / 8 / 42
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon, Throwing Spear
Armour:
- Light Armour, Shield
Special Rules:
- Feigned Flight
Upgrades:
- May add javelins at a cost of 1pt per model.
- May have heavy armour instead of light upgrading ARM to 3+, but reducing MR to 18, and REMOVING THEIR FEIGNED FLIGHT at a cost of 1 pt per model.

Breton Light Cavalry - Models per unit: 6-12
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN OR SKIRMISH / 20 / 4+ / 1 / 3 / 5+ / 4+ / 1 / 7 / 7 / 25
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon, Javelins
Armour:
- Shield
Special Rules:
- Feigned Flight
Upgrades:
- May add throwing spears at a cost of 2 pts per model.


Breton Dismounted Milites * - Models per unit: 12-24
ORDER MR SHO ATT HTH ARM KILL HITS DL ML PTS
CLOSED OR OPEN / 10 / 3+ / 1 / 4 / 5+ / 4+ / 1 / 7 / 7 / 17
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon, Throwing spear
Armour:
- Light Armour, Shield
Special Rules:
- None
Upgrades:
- May add javelins at a cost of 1pt per model.
- May add heavy armour upgrading ARM to 4+ but reducing MR to 8, at a cost of 2 pts per model.
- The unit may upgrade to include two handed axes or heavy hand weapons at a cost of 1 pt per model. This entitles a quarter of the front rank attack dice to be with the weapon upgrade.**

* Breton dismounted milites can only be used in specific scenarios (sieges, landing…). Without horses, their ML and DL are downgraded to 7, but their shooting hability remind 3+.

** For example, if a unit had 9 attacks, 2 would be with the upgraded weapon. The player
must decide to use this option or not before any dice for combat are rolled.

SUPPORT

For each unit selected from the Core section one unit may be selected from the Support section or Skirmish section. A maximum of 4 Support units may be chosen.

Spearmen - Models per unit: 15-32
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 10 / 4+ / 1 / 3 / 6 / 4+ / 1 / 6 / 6 / 8
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon, Throwing Spears
Armour:
- Shield
Special Rules:
- None
Upgrades:
- May add Javelins at a cost of 1 pt per model.

Up to 1 unit of Archers - Models per unit: 12-24
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 10 / 4+ / 1 / 3 / N/A / 4+ / 1 / 6 / 6 / 9
Weapons:
- Composite Bow, Hand Weapon
Armour:
- None
Special Rules:
- None
Upgrades:
- None

Up to 1 unit of Mercenaries Crossbowmen (after 1000 CE) - Models per unit: 10-20
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 10 / 4+ / 1 / 3 / N/A / 4+ / 1 / 7 / 7 / 12
Weapons:
- Heavy Crossbow, Hand Weapon
Armour:
- None
Special Rules:
- Mercenaries
Upgrades:
- May add a shield or light armour, improving ARM to 6, at a cost of 1 pt per model.

Up to one unit of Frankish / Norman Milites - Models per unit: 6-12
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 20 / 4+ / 1 / 4 / 4+ / 4+ / 1 / 7 / 7 / 37
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon, Long Spear
Armour:
- Light Armour, Shield
Special Rules:
- Fearsome, Shock Cavalry
Upgrades:
- May add javelins at a cost of 1pt per model.
- May have heavy armour instead of light upgrading ARM to 3+, but reducing MR to 18 at a cost of 3 pts per model.

Up to 2 units of Viking Raiders (before 900 CE) - Models per unit: 10-20
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
OPEN / 12 / 4+ / 1 / 4 / 6 / 4+ / 1 / 6 / 8 / 16
Weapons:
- Hand Weapon,
Armour:
- Shield
Special Rules:
- Allies, Mixed Formation, Warband
Upgrades:
- May add light armour upgrading ARM to 5+ at a cost of 2 pts per model.
- May add javelins at a cost of 1 pt per model.
- May add throwing or long spears at a cost of 1 pt per model.
- The unit may upgrade to include two handed axes or heavy hand weapons at a cost of 1 pt per model. This entitles a quarter of the front rank attack dice to be with the weapon upgrade.


For each unit selected from the Core section one unit may be selected from the Support
section or Skirmish section. A maximum of 3 Skirmish units may be chosen.

Up to 1 unit of Skirmishing Archers - Models per unit: 8-15
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
SKRIMISH / 10 / 4+ / 1 / 3 / N/A / 4+ / 1 / 6 / 6 / 10
Weapons:
- Composite Bow, Hand Weapon
Armour:
- None
Special Rules:
- None
Upgrades:
- None

Javelinmen - Models per unit: 8-15
ORDER / MR / SHO / ATT / HTH / ARM / KILL / HITS / DL / ML / PTS
SKIRMISH / 10 / 4+ / 1 / 2 / N/A / 4+ / 1 / 5 / 5 / 7
Weapons:
- Javelins, Hand Weapon
Armour:
- None
Special Rules:
- None
Upgrades:
- May add Bukler, improving ARM to 6, at a cost of 1 pt per model

Tout ça ma semble cohérent et en respect avec l'esprit de COE et le coté historique !
Juste une question par rapport aux viking raiders. Les Pirates viking étaient-il courramment enrolés dans les armée bretons pour avoir droit à un "up to 2" ?

pour les vikings, il y eut des raids en commun contre les Francs, fin IXeme, notamment sur la Loire etsur Chartres.
De plus, comme en Irlande ou en GB, lors de guerres civiles (nombreuses!) des factions norroises étaient parfois utilisées. Si bien que profiitant du bordel ambiant, des bandes se sont installées à demeure, surtout après 911 (encouragés par les descendants de Rollon, et les rois de France), avant d'en être définitivement chassées dans les années 930 - 936.

Ok !
j'ai hate de tester ta liste avec anglo saxons !

Je vais faire une proposition de liste northumbrienne avec pleins pécores !

je vais essayé de pofiner ma liste -mais je crois qu'il n'y a rien d'incohérent, et stuart m'a donné le coût de qq upgrad, donc, la liste doit être "bonne"- et je passerai à la liste galloise. Il y en a une "Strathclyde Britons" intéressantes, quoique un peu surprenante, au niveau des points de certaines choses...

Où as tu vu les strathclyde britons ?

Sur le foul Wab english
http://wabforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=9881

j'aime bien ta liste Flush, je vais essayer de faire la liste danoise cette semaine

Ouep ça me semble plutôt équilibré tout ça. :)

Je reste dubitatif quand à la puissance militaire dégagée de cette liste. J'ai toujours cru que les Bretons - sauf Du Guesclin - ne savaient que taper la patte en se tenant le petit doigt.

tu rigoles???,

il boivent aussi du Chouchen!!! :affraid:

le crapeau, la blanche colombe, et tout et tout!
notre peulple -qui vaincra!- a plus de 2000 ans d'existence!
et... le vôtre?

Je pense donc aux vu les commentaires sur la liste bretonne de Flush qu'on peut valider officiellement cette liste non officielle à moins que certains souhaitent s'y opposer.